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| − | {{disambig2|the Generation 1 Triple-Changer Decepticon|the Robots in Disguise Commando leader|Mega-Octane}} |
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| − | :''Octane is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].'' |
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| + | I currently have it under "Trivia" but it seems kinda more important than that. It has nothing to do with the toy itself, and it was never mentioned on the show (and I don't think it's true in the show anyway, even with the usual "scale" crap)....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 02:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | '''Octane''' is considered vile, even by Decepticon standards. This triple changing bully is a cheat, a liar, and a coward who thinks only of himself and can't be trusted any further than [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] can throw him. The only reason that this inveterate thief is allowed to continue functioning is that he has an uncanny ability to locate stores of fuel for his fellow Decepticons, and is usually able to spin a fairly convincing excuse for why he was unable to assist them in their latest battle. As annoying and frustrating as he may be to work with, most of his allies will grudgingly admit that he does perform his job as a fuel transport quite well... if he could just get over his annoying habit of making them beg for every drop. |
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| + | : Trivia's as good a place as any. It's where the canonical heights of various Armada characters are from (per the video game booklet). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | == Kiss-Player question == |
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| − | ==Fiction== |
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| − | ===Animated Continuity=== |
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| − | '''Voice actor:''' [[Beau Weaver]] (US), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japan) |
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| + | Wait, why was Brave Maximus in KP continuity anyway? That's a G1-derived series. |
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| − | Octane first came to the Autobots' attention while doing what he did best - thinking about himself. When [[Trypticon]] had been defeated by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and hurled into the ocean, it was Octane who first discovered that the giant Decepticon had not been destroyed, but had actually survived his untimely dunk in the water. What happened next depends on who you believe: Octane tells a tale of great heroism, where he came across the weakened and dying Trypticon and, for the glory of the Decepticon Empire and out of the good of his own heart, nursed the injured giant back to health. The rest of the world prefer to take a less charitable look at his actions, and claim that Octane merely took advantage of Trypticon to secure himself a source of high-quality energon from the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. Whatever his motivation, it was not long before Octane and Trypticon were trading fuel for protection (even going so far as to assault passing cruise ships and then claiming they had been invading sovereign waters, though Trypticon did genuinely believe that they were invading ships). When that was no longer enough to keep their new landlords happy, Octane quickly came up with a scheme to use Trypticon in stealing all of the world's most important monuments and presenting them as gifts to the nation's leader. That got the attention of [[Rodimus Prime]] and the rest of the Autobots, who quickly crashed Octane's party. Worse, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] caught wind of what had been happening, and was not amused with how selfishly Octane had been keeping Trypticon to himself. All the wheeling and dealing in the world failed in the face of Galvatron's rage, and Octane soon found himself ousted from the Decepticons (a fate he shared with his fellow Triple Changer, [[Blitzwing]]. Apparently [[Astrotrain]] was the only one of them worth keeping). {{Storylink|Thief in the Night}} |
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| + | Was Brave Maximus identified by name? Could he actually have been [[Cybertron Base]]? (who was at least around in G1, sorta...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | [[Image:SandstormOctane_BFF.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Octane could only get along with someone who had nothing left to steal.]] |
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| + | : As of Kiss Play, Takara has decided that Car Robots takes place in G1 continuity. It appears in several official timelines, and the KP characters refer back to its events (Shao Shao remembers Gigatron destroying New York City in 2000). Kiss Play Position opens with the girls performing at Brave Maximus Fortress, and images from the series make it clear that it is definitely meant to be the CR guy. (It's probably likely that at this point, Takaratomy consider Cybertron Base and Brave Max to be the same thing.) --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 12:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | Alone and on the run, Octane soon discovered that Galvatron was less than willing to let bygones be bygones. The Decepticon leader had placed a price on Octane's head, and countless bounty hunters and assassins were closing in on him. After a close call on the planet [[Junk]], where he narrowly avoided being blown to pieces, Octane quickly decided to seek asylum with the Autobots. It was here that he met and befriended [[Sandstorm (G1) (Autobot)|Sandstorm]], a fellow Triple Changer who had recently joined the Autobots after the destruction of his home planet of [[Paradron (planet)|Paradron]]. After being attacked by the [[Combaticon]]s at [[Autobot City]], the pair fled to a space station, where they were assaulted once again by a paid assassin (who was fortunately so incompetent that the two robots barely noticed he was there). Eventually settling on [[Cybertron]], Octane still found no peace, as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and the [[Sweeps]] tracked him down yet again. Fleeing into the forgotten [[Decepticon Crypt]], Octane stumbled onto the ghost of the most famous Decepticon traitor ever known: [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Quickly realising kindred spirits in each other, the two joined forces in an attempt to let Starscream possess Cyclonus and take over the Decepticons. Needless to say, their coup attempt failed rather miserably, and both traitors found themselves once again fleeing from Galvatron's wrath. {{Storylink|Starscream's Ghost}} |
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| + | ::That's... kinda wierd, actually. I assumed the reason for Cybertron Base/Seabreeze/Master was to reflect RM's setting where the Scramble City plan was supposedly enacted in 2004. (Meaning: Cybertron Base would have been the result of the SC program rather than Metroplex. IIRC, Autobot City was Fort Max in at least one other continuity too..., and I ''want'' to say that particular factoid has been noted in JP trivia books...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ==Not at Uni-battle?== |
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| − | '''Note:''' ''Octane is one of the few Decepticons who seems to have no problems dealing with the Autobots. Of course, Octane is so selfish that he likely doesn't care what allegiance somebody is as long as they can help him, but he is still one of the only Decepticons who can claim to have an Autobot for a friend (Starscream might be another, but he and [[Jetfire (G1)|his friend]] had a bit of a falling out before they switched sides).'' |
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| + | Wait. In the scan you showed us in #wiigii! last night, the one with the hilarious G1-toy-proto Uni and Rodimus-redeco Primus... Brave Max is there, isn't he? there's screaming and "UNICRON?!" and Marissa points and there's Brave Max behind her and she SAYS "BRAVE MAXIMUS", doesn't she? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | : Yeeah, that sure does appear to be the case. Weird; I'd swear Maximus got dumped back to Master when the three girls went to the UT before the final battle. I'll ask for clarification from the family Japanese-speaker and revise as needed. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 16:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Puzzle now solved! --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 19:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | Okay. Right. Wait. Let me see if I have this all straight, now. |
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| − | ===Marvel Comics Continuity=== |
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| − | ''Events in italics happened in the Marvel UK comics'' |
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| + | Marissa, Atari and Syao Syao are approached by the Sparkbots, and ganked off on a cross-time caper to gather up what they are told are fragments of the Allspark by kissing Autobot leaders. They get their first piece from Optimus Prime on Sherman dam. After gathering all(?) of the pieces (who do the others come from?), a "mysterious golden hand" steals them, and they pursue it back in time. They hit the "wall of time," and everyone is scattered across the multiverse - Brave Maximus winds up on Master, either becoming, or serving as the inspiration for, G1 Fortress Maximus. Atari, Marissa and Syao Syao are sent to - at least - Quintessa and the Unicron Trilogy universe (anywhere else? What happens in the latter instance?) before... something else happens, and everything cumulates in a battle on prehistoric Earth, where the Allspark fragments turn out to be Unicron's scattered lifeforce, and... the Sparkbots are his agents, seeking to resurrect him? And he gets resurrected? And then Primus is in it (how'd that happen), thrashes Unicron, seals away his lifeforce within the planet (the Angolmois energy) and creates Brave Maximus to be it's guardian - thereby setting up the events of RiD and BWII (and also, I might note, not exactly contradicting that BotCon comic that placed Unicron's essence on prehistoric Earth...). |
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| − | Octane was one of the many Decepticons left on [[Cybertron]] after [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron's]] departure. Along with several others, Octane worked for the tyrant [[Straxus]] in the giant fortress known as [[Darkmount]]. ''When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was accidentally transported back to Cybertron and joined forces with the [[Wreckers]], it was Octane who delivered the bad news to his master. In usual fashion, the bald-faced liar greatly overexaggerated his own role in the battle.'' |
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| + | Can you fill in the blanks for me? (I am ''learning'' stuff lately...) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | ''Octane's habit for telling tall tales and blatant lies would continue when he found himself confronted by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] during one of his fuel runs and led the Autobot through a military testing ground filled with mines. Both Transformers were lucky to survive, and Octane only managed by jettisoning his entire shipment. Obviously, this was not how he presented the case when asked what had happened to him.'' |
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| + | : This is genuinely fascinating shit. My hat's off to Oshima for coming up with something really convoluted yet... he clearly knows his TFs, and does fill in a hole or two (ha HA! RAPE). God, I love this wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | Aside from providing valuable background appearances and occasional comic relief, Octane is also worth noting for one important thing: during a battle in the Arctic that had been set up by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], Octane managed to kill the Autobot known as [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. Of course, Mirage was up and running again shortly thereafter, so it wasn't even a GOOD killing. |
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| + | : That's almost entirely right. The Quintessa stop takes place while they still have Brave Maximus, the big gold hand rescues the girls from the UT and turns out to be Primus trying to stop the Sparkbots, and...yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 20:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | Much later, after Jhiaxus' second-generation Decepticons (led by the treacherous Starscream) attacked and boarded the Warworld, Octane's scrapped body could be seen amongst the casualties. |
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| + | ::Right, okay, so, Primus stole the "Allspark" bits to stop the Sparkbots from resurrecting Unicron, right? So they got them back from him and recreated Unicron, yes? MMn, I think I could make a stab at scrawling something together for this in the article now... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | ===Dreamwave Comics Continuity=== |
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| + | :::Yeah, I'll have to check on what happened with the fragments Primus got before the Sparkbots did. Don't sweat the writeup too much; I'll be happy to add all this info when we've had a chance to read the story material more thoroughly. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 20:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | Octane participated in Shockwave's assault on Iacon shortly after Optronix arose to become [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. |
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| − | During the Dark Ages, Octane served under Starscream's command as one of the Predacons. When the Decepticons fractured again after the disappearance of the Nemesis, he began working for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Octane loved tormenting the pint-sized Decepticon [[Micromaster|Micromasters]], lording over them with his size and rank. |
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| + | Okay, okay, just one more question - regarding Parasi-Tech fusions. I recall (much earlier in the KP series)that there was some mysterious suggested connection between the Legion and the Autroopers, since both apparenty operated on this fusion method. The fact that the summaries say that both Legions and Autroopers fuse with Galvatron at the conclusion would bear that out - so is the implication that the fusion abilities of the Kiss Players are the product of Galvatron's cells, perhaps created through EDC experimentation? Hence Prime and Hot Rod's own destructive impulses, infused as they are by Galvatron's cells when they become Kiss Players? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | After the [[Great Shutdown]], Octane qualified for Shockwave's re-engineering process, and joined the [[Triple Changer|Triple Changer Strike Force]]. He travelled to Earth in 2003 under Shockwave and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus's]] command to collect the "renegade" Autobots and Decepticons who were still fighting the Great War. {{Storylink|New World Order}} They returned to Cybertron, and Octane assumed patrol duty until coming across the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had just crash-landed after arriving from Earth. Sensing weakness, Octane mockingly challenges the woozy travellers, poking them and calling them "primitive". |
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| + | : It's been a while, and that's a section of the story we never got around to writing up for TF:KK, but as I recall, Kiss Players are created when Galvatron's cells land on humans. Legion are created when they land on...stuff, I guess. Not sure why so many of them have the same body; possibly just narrative convenience. And I *think* the Autroopers were reverse-engineered using Galvatron's body, so they've got the cells too. The Autroopers are, I believe, the only ones that the EDC deliberately created, but they're all connected through Galvatron (and via him, Unicron). And yep, the nightmares et al are definitely because of the cell-infused new bodies. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 21:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Er, this probably all belongs in a different discussion section, though. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 21:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ::So... if Binaltech is Human tech converted to work with Cybertronian tech, Parisitech is a biological entity corrupted by Galvatron's parasitic cells. (We saw Legions merged with Octupi and... an egg?) And Autroopers are... tamed Parisitech? (Or just Parisitech that's been paired with a more benevolent host?) |
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| − | [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] made an ashtray out of his skull. {{Storylink|Cold War}} |
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| + | ::So, how did Marissa bring Convoy back to life? She was a KPer for the EDC, right? So maybe she was primed for interface and he kiss was thus able to convert convoy's body despite him not having any Parisitech? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | :::She kissed him while an Autrooper was attempting to merge with his cadaver, thus activating her latent Kiss Player powers and upgrading his body using the Autrooper's ParsiTech components.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Right. She wasn't an E.D.C. member at all - in fact, she was part of a quasi-terrorist resistance group that was trying to sabotage it. That seems to have happened midway through the story's development, as the earliest pictures showed Marissa's character model and toy with "E.D.C." on her shirt. She had the skulls instead by the time the story officially started. I'd guess that anyone who was hit by a Galvatron cell after the Tokyo incident has latent Kiss Player abilities. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 00:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::(Similarly, Shao Shao kissed Hot Rod when he was being attacked by a group of Legion heads that had started to merge with him. The fusion doesn't work unless you've got Galvatron cells.) --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 00:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| + | ==Merge?== |
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| − | ===IDW ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' continuity=== |
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| + | Now that ''Kiss Players'' has seemingly (and baffingly) retconned ''RID'' Maximus into G1 Maximus, do we merge the two articles or what? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | Octane participated in the interrogation of [[Tobias Muldoon]], but did not obviously do anything else in the story. His only line is: "Have they developed ''flight?''" {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel, Part 2}} |
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| − | ==Toys== |
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| − | ===Generation 1=== |
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| − | *'''Octane''' (Triple Changer, 1986) |
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| − | :''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-72''' |
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| − | : Octane can transform from a robot to a longnose truck cab with fuel-tanker trailer of undetermined model, and also a Boeing 767 jet plane. The tailfin of the jet form separates to become a shield for robot mode. |
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| − | *[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Octane/octane.htm Octane at TFU.info] |
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Revision as of 20:58, 10 October 2007
Where does his height info belong?
I currently have it under "Trivia" but it seems kinda more important than that. It has nothing to do with the toy itself, and it was never mentioned on the show (and I don't think it's true in the show anyway, even with the usual "scale" crap)....--Thylacine 2000 02:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Trivia's as good a place as any. It's where the canonical heights of various Armada characters are from (per the video game booklet). --M Sipher 03:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Kiss-Player question
Wait, why was Brave Maximus in KP continuity anyway? That's a G1-derived series.
Was Brave Maximus identified by name? Could he actually have been Cybertron Base? (who was at least around in G1, sorta...) -Derik 06:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- As of Kiss Play, Takara has decided that Car Robots takes place in G1 continuity. It appears in several official timelines, and the KP characters refer back to its events (Shao Shao remembers Gigatron destroying New York City in 2000). Kiss Play Position opens with the girls performing at Brave Maximus Fortress, and images from the series make it clear that it is definitely meant to be the CR guy. (It's probably likely that at this point, Takaratomy consider Cybertron Base and Brave Max to be the same thing.) --Swift 12:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's... kinda wierd, actually. I assumed the reason for Cybertron Base/Seabreeze/Master was to reflect RM's setting where the Scramble City plan was supposedly enacted in 2004. (Meaning: Cybertron Base would have been the result of the SC program rather than Metroplex. IIRC, Autobot City was Fort Max in at least one other continuity too..., and I want to say that particular factoid has been noted in JP trivia books...) -Derik 17:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Not at Uni-battle?
Wait. In the scan you showed us in #wiigii! last night, the one with the hilarious G1-toy-proto Uni and Rodimus-redeco Primus... Brave Max is there, isn't he? there's screaming and "UNICRON?!" and Marissa points and there's Brave Max behind her and she SAYS "BRAVE MAXIMUS", doesn't she? --M Sipher 15:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yeeah, that sure does appear to be the case. Weird; I'd swear Maximus got dumped back to Master when the three girls went to the UT before the final battle. I'll ask for clarification from the family Japanese-speaker and revise as needed. --Swift 16:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Puzzle now solved! --Swift 19:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Right. Wait. Let me see if I have this all straight, now.
Marissa, Atari and Syao Syao are approached by the Sparkbots, and ganked off on a cross-time caper to gather up what they are told are fragments of the Allspark by kissing Autobot leaders. They get their first piece from Optimus Prime on Sherman dam. After gathering all(?) of the pieces (who do the others come from?), a "mysterious golden hand" steals them, and they pursue it back in time. They hit the "wall of time," and everyone is scattered across the multiverse - Brave Maximus winds up on Master, either becoming, or serving as the inspiration for, G1 Fortress Maximus. Atari, Marissa and Syao Syao are sent to - at least - Quintessa and the Unicron Trilogy universe (anywhere else? What happens in the latter instance?) before... something else happens, and everything cumulates in a battle on prehistoric Earth, where the Allspark fragments turn out to be Unicron's scattered lifeforce, and... the Sparkbots are his agents, seeking to resurrect him? And he gets resurrected? And then Primus is in it (how'd that happen), thrashes Unicron, seals away his lifeforce within the planet (the Angolmois energy) and creates Brave Maximus to be it's guardian - thereby setting up the events of RiD and BWII (and also, I might note, not exactly contradicting that BotCon comic that placed Unicron's essence on prehistoric Earth...).
Can you fill in the blanks for me? (I am learning stuff lately...) - Chris McFeely 20:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- This is genuinely fascinating shit. My hat's off to Oshima for coming up with something really convoluted yet... he clearly knows his TFs, and does fill in a hole or two (ha HA! RAPE). God, I love this wiki. --M Sipher 20:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's almost entirely right. The Quintessa stop takes place while they still have Brave Maximus, the big gold hand rescues the girls from the UT and turns out to be Primus trying to stop the Sparkbots, and...yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. --Swift 20:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Right, okay, so, Primus stole the "Allspark" bits to stop the Sparkbots from resurrecting Unicron, right? So they got them back from him and recreated Unicron, yes? MMn, I think I could make a stab at scrawling something together for this in the article now... - Chris McFeely 20:38, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'll have to check on what happened with the fragments Primus got before the Sparkbots did. Don't sweat the writeup too much; I'll be happy to add all this info when we've had a chance to read the story material more thoroughly. --Swift 20:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, okay, just one more question - regarding Parasi-Tech fusions. I recall (much earlier in the KP series)that there was some mysterious suggested connection between the Legion and the Autroopers, since both apparenty operated on this fusion method. The fact that the summaries say that both Legions and Autroopers fuse with Galvatron at the conclusion would bear that out - so is the implication that the fusion abilities of the Kiss Players are the product of Galvatron's cells, perhaps created through EDC experimentation? Hence Prime and Hot Rod's own destructive impulses, infused as they are by Galvatron's cells when they become Kiss Players? - Chris McFeely 21:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's been a while, and that's a section of the story we never got around to writing up for TF:KK, but as I recall, Kiss Players are created when Galvatron's cells land on humans. Legion are created when they land on...stuff, I guess. Not sure why so many of them have the same body; possibly just narrative convenience. And I *think* the Autroopers were reverse-engineered using Galvatron's body, so they've got the cells too. The Autroopers are, I believe, the only ones that the EDC deliberately created, but they're all connected through Galvatron (and via him, Unicron). And yep, the nightmares et al are definitely because of the cell-infused new bodies. --Swift 21:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Er, this probably all belongs in a different discussion section, though. --Swift 21:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- So... if Binaltech is Human tech converted to work with Cybertronian tech, Parisitech is a biological entity corrupted by Galvatron's parasitic cells. (We saw Legions merged with Octupi and... an egg?) And Autroopers are... tamed Parisitech? (Or just Parisitech that's been paired with a more benevolent host?)
- So, how did Marissa bring Convoy back to life? She was a KPer for the EDC, right? So maybe she was primed for interface and he kiss was thus able to convert convoy's body despite him not having any Parisitech? -Derik 23:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- She kissed him while an Autrooper was attempting to merge with his cadaver, thus activating her latent Kiss Player powers and upgrading his body using the Autrooper's ParsiTech components.--Rosicrucian 23:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Right. She wasn't an E.D.C. member at all - in fact, she was part of a quasi-terrorist resistance group that was trying to sabotage it. That seems to have happened midway through the story's development, as the earliest pictures showed Marissa's character model and toy with "E.D.C." on her shirt. She had the skulls instead by the time the story officially started. I'd guess that anyone who was hit by a Galvatron cell after the Tokyo incident has latent Kiss Player abilities. --Swift 00:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- (Similarly, Shao Shao kissed Hot Rod when he was being attacked by a group of Legion heads that had started to merge with him. The fusion doesn't work unless you've got Galvatron cells.) --Swift 00:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- She kissed him while an Autrooper was attempting to merge with his cadaver, thus activating her latent Kiss Player powers and upgrading his body using the Autrooper's ParsiTech components.--Rosicrucian 23:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Merge?
Now that Kiss Players has seemingly (and baffingly) retconned RID Maximus into G1 Maximus, do we merge the two articles or what? Interrobang 20:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)