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  • Vozhan
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    April 13th.
    17:14, April 13, 2019
    As some of you may have already deduced due to the various conversations and threads that took place during the past few days, our wiki is currently planning a possible merge with Teletraan-1: The Transformers Wiki, the largest Transformers wiki on FANDOM.
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    In my opinion, the merger would be beneficial to both of our communities for various reasons and would have positive impacts on the wiki's activity. It would greatly increase the increase the number of viewers and editors on the merged wiki. We would inherit one of the largest, oldest and most well known communities on the FANDOM network.

    Teletraan-1 does document information on many sub-series and continuities of the Transformers franchise. However, the articles pertaining to Transformers: Prime and the Aligned Continuity are in terrible quality. The merger would combine all of our efforts.

    The merge itself is done by FANDOM Staff. Basically, they'll delete every page related to the Aligned Continuity on their wiki. Then, they'll copy every page on this wiki and transfer it to their wiki.  This wiki will then be closed and redirected to Teletraan-1.

    Although this merge may seem like a good idea, some of my fellow administrators disagree, with concerns about management, organization, confusion and viability. That's why we're asking you, the community, to voice your opinions about the possible merge. Please vote in the poll below about whether we should merge or not, and leave your reasons in the comments. If you have any additional questions, or concerns, please visit this page or leave them in comments below. Feel free to contact me or another admin.


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    Should we merge with Teletraan-1 Wiki?
     
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    The poll was created at 16:07 on March 31, 2019, and so far 45 people voted.
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    • I decided to create Forum for this instead of a Discussions post because of better formatting. I also think the new Discussions theme looks appalling.

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    • Voted no.

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    • Voted yes.

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    • For some reason, our votes are not saved on the poll.

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    • They are now. I just fixed it.

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    • There was a problem with the template that was making the background white, so I decided to remove it.

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    • Also, I just checked the poll on Teletraan-1, and all 9 people who voted have said yes. LOL.

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    • xD voted yes.

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    • There still seems to be a problem on the poll, the votes are not being updated. I'll try to fix it.

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    • I dunno about this. While I agree that it could be beneficial to have more viewers it could cause problems as there could be more contention about the fates of Darksteele and Skylynx.

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    • People here care about their craft, and this will expose the great amount of effort that was put into this Wiki. Even if something will go wrong, the people here will fix it because they don't have a reason not to. This place is amassed with love and information about the series, and that will continue after the merge. Of course, there might be people who don't know about the merge and might be left behind or lose interest, but so many more will join. I think it's pretty clear that I am fully behind this decision.

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    • Exactly.

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    • I vote, yes!

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    • It appears the majority of people are voting yes.

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    • Yeah...…… As usual the masses approve and that may not be a bad thing but I have my reservations.

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    • I'm pretty sure no one voted yes without consideration.

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    • Yes

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    • When I first started editing this wiki seven years ago, a big part about choosing this wiki in particular was because I highly disapproved of the staff on Teletraan and their methods of enforcing policy. I was essentially the only editor for quite some time here before more people began to show up and make this wiki what it is today. It's been a long time since then, and seeing this proposal is a very interesting turn of events, but I understand things have changed a lot over the past many years.

      Truth be told I much prefer to use TFWiki over either wiki, in the rare case that I use any wiki at all. Their overall tone is great and they have a very thorough way of doing things. Honestly I just don't see much of point in competing with them. I've also grown a great disdain for Wikia (now called FANDOM) and as much as highly respect the editors on this wiki, I can't say I support Fandom's practices of handling just about anything, and that they no doubt take every editor for granted.

      When it comes to deciding over whether to merge with the Teletraan-1 Wiki or staying a separate wiki, I don't see much of a difference. With Cyberverse on the air and movies rebooting, the Aligned Continuity is effectively over, and I'm fine with moving on. Teletraan's articles on anything Aligned, Prime or otherwise, are abysmal, and they need us far more than we need them, but TFWiki will probably still do it better no matter the case.

      If a merge is to happen, I want every staff member here to retain their full powers and accept no lower rank. If this wiki is to be redirected, I would like an "old.transformersprime.fandom" address, similar to what the deprecated Oblivion wiki has after the merge so there's an archive on all the work we've done over the years. I don't know what Teletraan's staff is like these days (as far as I can tell, the members I disliked enough to start a different wiki are no longer active) but you all should remember that they should treat no less then them just because their wiki is what we'll be merged onto. You'll all still be editors no matter how much things change, and as such should all be treated equally.

      Overall if you guys want to merge, it could end up being better for everyone all around. If you guys still have a passion for the series, that's what matters most, and we'd all do well to treat it the best we can. Just remember that you should respect yourselves and expect fair treatment, if you receive anything otherwise, stand your ground and know that you're more valuable than you realize. And hey, don't let Fandom push you guys around if you don't wanna subjected to something they want to force on you, you all have voices so use them if you want to fight for what you feel is right.

      -Til all are one, Rim.

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    • Thanks, Rim.

      (side note: I really, really, really wish there was an option to pin messages on this thread)

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    • Okay, I just want to bring up a potential glitch, in that whenever I see the page, the yes vote is always stuck at eleven.

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    • Initially thought no becuz vozhan gave me gud reasons about why not, but i agree now becuz The Rim of the sky convinced me that combining = better.

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    • Whatweare wrote:
      Okay, I just want to bring up a potential glitch, in that whenever I see the page, the yes vote is always stuck at eleven.

      That is a problem. 

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    • True, but just change your vote and you'll see the current numbers. (Then revote.)

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    • Whatweare wrote:
      Okay, I just want to bring up a potential glitch, in that whenever I see the page, the yes vote is always stuck at eleven.
      It seems that whenever I edit the post, the votes are updated again. I'll try to work on a fix for this glitch.
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    • Predaking69 wrote:
      Initially thought no becuz vozhan gave me gud reasons about why not, but i agree now becuz The Rim of the sky convinced me that combining = better.

      That was nearly a month ago, and yes, I originally thought not merging was better. But Moviejunkie2009 (an admin for Teletraan-1 Wiki) convinced me about merging. I have to admit though, The Rim of the Sky's comment nearly doubled the positive votes.

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    • The Rim of the Sky's comment probably didn't do much. It's just been more time since your original message, so logically there would be more users who view this message the second or third day.

      Also, just to ensure you know that you can keep this thread more concise, you can edit your messages by going to the bottom right and clicking, "more," and "edit."

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    • Riverdale Chauffeur wrote:
      The Rim of the Sky's comment probably didn't do much. It's just been more time since your original message, so logically there would be more users who view this message the second or third day.

      Also, just to ensure you know that you can keep this thread more concise, you can edit your messages by going to the bottom right and clicking, "more," and "edit."

      Perhaps, but he literally wrote five, detailed paragraphs on the merge and his opinion on it.

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    • Honestly I'd give this poll a little more days since there are users who haven't voted or have yet to vote. 

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    • I agree.

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    • No one has said anything about shutting the poll down.

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    • Whatweare wrote:
      No one has said anything about shutting the poll down.

      Not on this wiki.

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    • We've been at 30 votes for a while now, it appears not many other users are voting on this poll.

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    • Yes. I guess this wiki is ending.

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    • Nope, just merging and beginning anew. :}

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    • The merge will mean the wiki itself will be closed.

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    • Whatweare wrote:
      The merge will mean the wiki itself will be closed.

      Not exactly. We're keeping an archive of this wiki, as per The Rim of the Sky's request. Basically, FANDOM Staff will:

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    • If all the information will be moved to another wiki, then why bother keeping a record of an empty wiki?

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    • I still say give it more days until users vote. So far a lot as decided to merge but still it wouldn't hurt to wait a couple of more days.

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    • Why don't we set a time so that no one can ask for more time and claim it to be unfair or vice versa.

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    • Yeah I should've specified that. Would April 20 be reasonable? 

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    • Lol I thought you would say, like April 8th or 10th, but whatever your other admin thinks.

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    • Firefox20z wrote:
      Yeah I should've specified that. Would April 20 be reasonable? 

      April 20th is over 2 weeks away from now, and seems a little too far away. I would prefer April 13th or sooner, as it seems that the majority of people who intended to vote have already done so.

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    • I would suggest April 10th, as it is closer and gives any remaining people the time to vote.

      I do wonder why the staff would make an archive of a wiki that has no information.

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    • April 13th then. 

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    • Whatweare wrote:
      I would suggest April 10th, as it is closer and gives any remaining people the time to vote.

      I do wonder why the staff would make an archive of a wiki that has no information.

      "wiki that has no information" I presume you're confused as to what this "archive" will actually be. The information and articles that are currently on this wiki will be copied/pasted on the archive wiki and Teletraan-1 wiki. The articles on this wiki will then be deleted and the URL transformersprime.fandom.com will be redirected to transformers.fandom.com.


      Also, setting the deadline on April 10th has no logical basis besides the numerical satisfaction. April 13th would be better as it falls on a Saturday, but April 14th would be even better as it is directly two weeks after the poll's commencement. However, April 14 seems a bit too far away, as I have already stated that the majority of people who intended on voting have already done so.

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    • Vozhan wrote:

      Whatweare wrote:
      I would suggest April 10th, as it is closer and gives any remaining people the time to vote.

      I do wonder why the staff would make an archive of a wiki that has no information.

      "wiki that has no information" I presume you're confused as to what this "archive" will actually be. The information and articles that are currently on this wiki will be copied/pasted on the archive wiki and Teletraan-1 wiki. The articles on this wiki will then be deleted and the URL transformersprime.fandom.com will be redirected to transformers.fandom.com.


      Also, setting the deadline on April 10th has no logical basis besides the numerical satisfaction. April 13th would be better as it falls on a Saturday, but April 14th would be even better as it is directly two weeks after the poll's commencement. However, April 14 seems a bit too far away, as I have already stated that the majority of people who intended on voting have already done so.

      What I don't understand is why archive a closed wiki. It would take up unnecessary space, and besides, the staff don't archive closed wikis.

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    • As The Rim of the Sky said, it's so we can look back on all the hard work we've done over the years. I won't speak for the other administrators, but I like the thought of coming back to an archive of this wiki a few years later, just to see how it was before the merge happened.


      You're also wrong about the Staff. Not only are there numerous examples of archived wikis, like the archived Bakugon Fanon Wiki, but the admin for Teletraan-1 has already contacted Staff and they've agreed to the archival of this wiki.

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    • It's been exactly one week since the polls started. On Teletraan-1, 17 people have voted "yes" while 1 person has voted "unsure".

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    • Wow. 

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    • Haha I imagine this is how you feel Firefox20z

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgxZr6LLS34

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    • *insert EU article 13 reference here*

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    • Lol

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    • Lol more like this where I am Thanos. https://youtu.be/cM-DoO84Sf4

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    • Hehe yes more accurate.

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    • Personally, I don't mind if the two sites merge as long as the Steve the Vehicon page stays how it is. Meaning that when it is transferred over, the information i have spent a good long amount of time adding and maintaining will not be deleted simply because it isn't officially canon. though i would hardly call it fanfiction either since all the information is is essentially slapping the name of a canon character onto other generic vehicons to give more "personality" to the existing vehicon character.

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    • Agree.

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    • KrisPrime wrote:
      Personally, I don't mind if the two sites merge as long as the Steve the Vehicon page stays how it is. Meaning that when it is transferred over, the information i have spent a good long amount of time adding and maintaining will not be deleted simply because it isn't officially canon. though i would hardly call it fanfiction either since all the information is is essentially slapping the name of a canon character onto other generic vehicons to give more "personality" to the existing vehicon character.

      I can assure you that the Steve the Vehicon page will remain exactly the way it is now.

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    • please don't merge i love this wiki and the unicron page is my favorite 

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    • @Ernst1000 We don't know yet. So far users like yourself want to keep the wiki as it is and I agree. The majority wants to but some don't which can conflict things greatly. 

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    • The majority? Hehe not sure if you meant the majority want to merge or not, but the votes say differently!

      Some don't, true, but if you notice, those users have either joined very recently or have been on the wiki for years, such as yourself.

      If the majority rules, and those who are against the merger are either new or old users, then I would think it's safe to say that there is at least some influence/bias from those users.

      For veteran users still around, they are likely extremely attached to the wiki, seeing as how they've stayed for so long, and for new users, they have only recently discovered the wiki and want to explore it further and help it more, possibly being intimidated by a possible merger with the extremely large, official Transformers FANDOM Wiki.

      Either way, these are just my two cents, not facts.

      Oh, and I hate to crush your hopes and dreams, Ernst, but it's also safe to say this wiki will merge and be born anew, unless one of those four objecting users have all their friends vote in the poll. You don't even need an account, you could just send this thread to everyone you know, and ask them to vote, "No." Or all the people who voted yes can do the same thing and triple or quadruple their votes. Hehe. Don't worry though, there will always be an archive!

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    • Ernst1000 wrote:
      please don't merge i love this wiki and the unicron page is my favorite 

      You love this wiki yet you've only made 10 contributions.

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    • @Riverdale Chauffeur  While I agree with you, the Teletraan-1 wiki isn't really an "official" wiki. At the end of the day, we're all just fan wikis.

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    • Vozhan wrote:
      Ernst1000 wrote:
      please don't merge i love this wiki and the unicron page is my favorite 
      You love this wiki yet you've only made 10 contributions.

      That doesn't really matter. A user could make 3 edits to the wiki and still love or admire it. 

      @Riverdale You sound very assured about this yet the outcome has yet to be determined. Along with some other users, we still have concerns about this. Yeah you can assure us merging is better, we can get more users...ect but I just don't think it's necessary. This wiki is old in a sense where it isn't seen as new any more considering that the show ended years ago and the information that the wiki uses comes from this website mostly: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page. Besides the polls, we also have to ensure that the wiki is in safe hands. I'm not saying to not trust anyone on Teletran-1 but it's a wiki that seems to be fine by itself too.

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    • I understand, but that only means it can get better! If the show ended years ago and the wiki is essentially unnecessary in many aspects, what's there to convince people that we should not merge?

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    • @Firefox20z No, Teletraan-1 is certainly not a wiki that is fine by itself. Many users, including The Rim of the Sky, would agree that their articles are in dire need of improvement. Merging the two wikis would greatly increase the number of users and active contributors. I still don't get why you think the merge isn't necessary.

      Also, a user can love a wiki but only have made 3 edits, but they haven't really contributed to it or sacrificed their time to improve it, whereas a user with over 1,000 edits is constantly working with the intention of making the wiki a better place.

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    • I've got over a thousand edits

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    • @Vozhan The merge isn't necessary but at the same time since you pointed out the benefits, it's really conflicting for those who believe this wiki should be the same since we have grown accustomed to this wiki. Now as far as contribution goes, when a user shows devotion to the wiki such as finding to improve ways or asking to improve things in a certain way, it shows that they do care along with other forms of such as editing. A user could make 1,000 edits but in some rare cases they may just be in it for the badges (at least from my experience with some past users on different wikias). Users who do contribute, have suggestions, make corrections, and make at least 1 or 3 edits can really help this wiki in many ways. 

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    • Users who do that, with at least 1 or 3 edits, can do that, you are right, but chances are they will not. As the Hulk10 pointed out, he has over a thousand edits, and I'm assuming he supports the wikis staying separate. However, that merely brings us back to my reasoning of who supports what and why.

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    • @Firefox20z I take it you intend to propose a solution to this conflict?

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    • I am still contemplating on this matter as a whole. I also have other stuff keeping me occupied but I do try to get here whenever I can.  

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    • In fact if it's okay with you, before we merge I shall consult with the other admins for their official plans or moves for this wikia. 

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    • Sure, no problem.

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    • Cool! I can wait!

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    • I thought the wiki was supposed to close today.

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    • Whatweare wrote:
      I thought the wiki was supposed to close today.

      No, the POLLS are supposed to close today, so I'm closing this thread. The merge is happening, but it'll take some more time to discuss plans.

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